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A podcast experience about friends sharing their views on society and culture. Hosted by Jay Cain, with Courtney Hysaw and Damion Wright. They have compelling stories, amazing guests, and more. Topics range from politics, music, sports, you name it they'll talk about it, but for the most part they like to have fun and laugh!
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#118 - "King of Hill" (ft. Chauncey Billups)
In this weeks episode the Jay and crew sits down with Portland Trailblazer head coach and basketball icon Chauncey Billups.
Join us, as we uncover the layers of Chauncey’s journey from Park Hill to the NBA. How did a young man from Denver find himself navigating through the world of professional basketball? Come along as we explore Chauncey's fiery passion for the sport, the relentless pursuit of improving his skills, and the silent, yet powerful role his community played in shaping him.
In the heart of our conversation, we dissect Chauncey's high school basketball journey and the challenges he faced in the NBA. You'll hear firsthand about the mental strength required to confront his early struggles with the Boston Celtics, the growth he experienced with the Toronto Raptors, and the insightful path that led him to pursue coaching. Moreover, we delve into the strong bond between Chauncey's and his brother Rodney, a testament to their mantra of hard work, 'you eat what you kill'.
In the final stretch of our discussion, we examine Chauncey's college decision-making process to attend the University of Colorado. Also, they talk about the championship run with the Detroit Pistons, and ponder on how different things could have turned out had Melo had joined the Pistons, and More!
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Speaker 3:Welcome to this dot podcast. I'm your friendly host, Jay, joined by my friend. We got Co and Uncle Damos out. Shout out to the incredible Lawrence and Larimer for providing the space. You can catch them at 3225 East Co Facts Avenue or you can go to laurencennlarimercom and get your fall wearer and you can catch us on all major streaming platforms or video on YouTube.
Speaker 2:Man what you think Damos doing right now. What the hell is Damos?
Speaker 3:Man. He always on vacation, like I don't know why. Like he's a director, so you would think he's real busy and doing things, but every other week he's on vacation, man.
Speaker 1:And I ain't never seen somebody equity, diversity, equity inclusion, travel as much.
Speaker 3:I haven't even Traveling for it, I know.
Speaker 2:You're supposed to be helping the people. I wasn't big enough guest for Damos. Oh no, you wasn't.
Speaker 1:Oh Don't worry about it, I'll find that's how he be stunt man. I'll find.
Speaker 3:So let's get right into it, man, without further ado. The voice that you're listening to is oh man. Colorado legend, denver legend. He smooth ain't he Smooth, he's smooth.
Speaker 1:Park Hill legend man first to have a tattoo. Come on, man.
Speaker 3:This man. You might know him as smooth king of the hill, Chance CB.4. Mr Big Shot, but most important coach and leader of the Portland Trail Blazers, Welcome Chancey Billiffs to the show. Yes, yes, yes, I had to have this.
Speaker 2:I appreciate y'all. Just for y'all man. I know Damos is not here, but for all of y'all bro. Y'all doing a good job, man, y'all doing a hell of a job and watched a few of them. Proud of y'all bro.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it, man Chancey. That means a lot to us, man.
Speaker 3:We trying to put the stories out there, you know, because things are changing endeavor, but we're the originals and we got to make sure our story's out there before Because we're part of history. You're a part of that history, so we definitely had to get you and we've been manifesting this since we had the pod, like we were saying, all right, we're going to get guests. You was number one. And we were like when we get that we're there, star Star it's all good.
Speaker 3:Bacow, we got to let the people know how it transpired. All right, yeah, let's talk about it. So we know you're busy man and you know the coolest thing about you is you're down to earth and you're, for the people, the same, the same. You have no secretaries. I've been communicating with you just back and forth, so it was like no third party. It's just Kane hit me up, I got you.
Speaker 3:But the way I caught Chance is we were at the Pro-Am game. Shout out to Shay, shay Kelly doing her thing with the Pro-Am. Somebody told me Chance was in the stands and I was like what? Because they didn't know. I knew him personally. I was like, oh, I got to go holler at my dude. So I go holler at him. And this is how good he is, because I already think, in the back of your mind he was like all right, I already told him I'm coming on the pod, I just haven't had a chance to contact him. So we chopping it up. We go hey, how's the family doing? Blah, blah, blah, co. And before I could even ask him he was like hey, man, I'm going to come by and do your little thing, yeah yeah, say less, say less, yeah Say less.
Speaker 3:I was happy Say less, but he got me on the little thing Because I was like, did he just cut? Me under, Because you know my pod was my little thing. That's how smooth he is. Man, I ain't cut you under, bro, and shit you king of the hill man Say less.
Speaker 1:That's what.
Speaker 3:I said I was like man, you can say whatever you want, you coming on the pod and you doing us a solid man. I never do that to y'all, bro. I never do that to y'all.
Speaker 2:I know my time is always limited. You know I'm in town for two, three days here and there, I never know when. But I knew my September schedule and that's why I was like Yep, you told me, Bro, if we could do it one of these two days. I got you. If not, I'll have to catch you next summer. So I'm glad it worked out.
Speaker 3:I am too man, so we turned on, we turned on, we turned on man. Ok, it's got to be a show. I had to make sure Sometimes we fumble over around here, chas, we be 15, 20 minutes ahead.
Speaker 2:We didn't even charge us. We didn't even charge, we turned us on man. No, we good.
Speaker 3:We good man, but just want to start from the beginning, man, because there's so much history with you here and you know getting into basketball, the amazing things that you've accomplished, it all started at Skyland and for you specifically, I think you were unique because we knew you had the skills right. We you was like when you was in eighth grade as the first time I knew of you and when I saw you it was just like yo, he's already like six foot. You know he's a specimen, like he's got the package. But what I think people don't know is how much you love ball and just the amount of work that you put in to go with the gift right Of like your physicalness, but you put in mad work to have the skill. Can you just talk us through that of how you got the love and the things you were doing behind the scenes that people weren't seeing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, it's interesting For real. Like football was my first thing. I loved football, loved it, loved it, played it first. And the truth of the matter is I only started playing basketball because there was nothing to do when football season was over.
Speaker 1:And you know.
Speaker 2:And the hood idle. Time is not good time. Nope, right, shit can happen.
Speaker 3:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:And so I only started playing basketball because I needed something to do when football season was over. So then, boom, I started hooping and I was young and I was pretty good at a young age. I was tall. I was tall for my age, yep. So I was playing both and, like you said, in the eighth grade, when you finally heard of me, I only stopped playing football.
Speaker 2:I had a conversation with my mom one day, because we was just talking and whatever, and I thought I wanted to go to college. Got it, and nobody in my family obviously never been to college. Yeah, and so she told me that day she was like well, I want you to go to college too, but you're going to have to get a scholarship because we can't afford to send you to college. Yeah, got it. So at that moment I said, damn, I got to choose basketball or football. Yeah, I was much better in basketball than I was in football. Yeah, and so that's when I said, all right, cool, I'm done playing football. But that was when, seventh going, eighth, when I quit playing football and I was like I'm going all, I got to go, I got to go all in If I really want to go to college. I didn't even have aspirations of being a pro At that time. I just wanted to go to college, be the first to go, want to be the first one to go to college, want to play ball, want to get to college.
Speaker 2:So pro wasn't even on my mind, bro, like at that time, I really barely even watched the NBA that much. I'm watching college because that's what I was aspiring to do. And so, man, I just went all in with it and I'm talking about all day. You talk about Skyline and being there. I'm walking from my house center opening at 9. Yeah, I'm leaving my crib at 8.30. I'm walking there. I'm getting there at 9. Shit, closing at 6. That's when I'm leaving, wow, and I'm doing everything. I ain't just hooping all day, I'm doing everything, everything the center has to offer.
Speaker 1:Yep Right.
Speaker 2:I'm playing dominoes with the O.
Speaker 3:I'm doing everything. I'm playing football.
Speaker 2:I'm in the back, I'm fighting, we doing everything, right, right, everything the center has to offer Every day, all summer, every year, right? And so, yeah, man, I'm the type of person, man, that I'm just a worker. I just always been a worker, bro, and I always felt like that was going to be my edge. Like, even if a dude is as good as I am, he ain't going to work as hard as me, yep, so when he see me, he going to realize he wasn't working as hard as me, man. So I always had that mentality, bro, always, always, and it just led through my entire life.
Speaker 1:Man, it was crazy, man, like just hearing you talk. Man, you struck a chord in me.
Speaker 1:And the chord you struck, man is. I tell this to all the kids at the Pirates, you know, I tell them about my experience of being a pirate and growing up in Park Hill and when you talked about being at the center from nine to the close right and you didn't say, you said yo, I didn't just participate in basketball, I didn't just work on my game, I participated in everything that the center had to offer. So what? I tell the parents and I tell the kids, I say yo, when I grew up, you had two sets of people in Park Hill. You had people who, because Skylin was the epicenter, the Holly was like the heartbeat of Park Hill at that time. That brought everybody together Holly, dahlia, then maybe Fairfax, but Holly and you had people who took advantage of.
Speaker 1:They took advantage of Skylin, they took advantage of the resources, they took advantage of the relationships, they took advantage of what was being provided inside the wreck and just, quite frankly, man, those people kind of got all was kind of. You know are doing all right, but the people who decided not to take advantage of those resources in the wreck, that took advantage of everything outside the wreck. I'm not saying that they had a chance to turn their life around, but they kind of got out to a rocky start and and yo, like that's the role that Skylin played for all three of us. You know what I mean. Because we made the conscious decision to say you know what, I'm going to listen to the Horace Kearney's, I'm going to listen to the Harry Hawlins, I'm going to listen to the Herman Weitz. You know what I mean To take advantage of what's inside this center and man, look what it, what it birthed Absolutely.
Speaker 3:And that's amazing that you said the community, right, because that, to your point, because that's what we all have in common, that's what brought us together, that's the brotherhood of like yo, of course I'm coming to your pod, you know what I mean. It's because it's more than just you know. Being on a pod is like now we go back, you know, even though, like, we don't communicate like on the daily, but the love and the bond is just there you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So that's what's so dope about this. And you know, I want to say one thing about and this talks about your coach in a little bit, and I don't want to jump the gun but I remember just how much love and patience you had for others. Right, because when you were working out you had this game I don't know what it was or this little training thing of you remember you would run elbow to elbow. You would start at seven and you would have to hit a shot and you have to go Side line, yeah, side line to elbow. Hit a shot, you go down one, but if you miss, you go up two.
Speaker 3:I was working out with this dude one time. I must have got up to like 20. Right, and I got to a point where I was like, alright, man, I'm done. Chas was like, nah, man, you're gonna finish this out. And like you know him, at that level, he could have just been like now I'm out, okay, yeah, yeah, you could go on. Came you good, he sat there with me. It took me probably like 15, 20 minutes for my go to get all the way down to zero, and and just the appreciation of that, because you didn't have to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You stuck around, had patience for this kid. That was like, yeah, man, I don't know what you gonna turn out to be. I could leave now. You know what I mean. I could be selfish in the mouth, but not. You was like no, I'm here with you, man, you gonna finish this, so let's go. You know, it took it. He was like looking at the clock, but he was there with me, man, and that just speaks to your whole personality and what you've done so far which is awesome.
Speaker 2:Brass, who I am, man, you know, that's who I am. I never changed. Y'all are know that yeah but normally we grew up together. So no matter what I didn't experience brought never changed, I'm the same dude, regardless, whether I was Struggling in my career or hoisting the trophy or whatever you never I was always the same brah like always, even now.
Speaker 1:So man Chaucer was keep what keeps you grounded man.
Speaker 2:I just know that I've always just known brother like I Grilled with so many people. You know that some chose streets, some chose football bass, whatever, but literally we was all At a crossroads at one point, at that fork in the road and man I could have went the other way. Yeah, it was right there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no man, it was literally right there and for some reason God chose me, you know, to go the other way. I Don't get the credit for that, I don't know, you know. I mean, I knew I loved this, but, man, I could have went either way. So I'm just so thankful and grateful, bruh. So I Never took the credit for that. I just know that you can't control fate. He chose me and I'm always gonna like try to do what's right because of that.
Speaker 1:Is there? Is there any? So let me ask you this is there any survivors guilt? So, and I say that in this context, I hear my Tyson all the time say dude, I came from best style Brooklyn, mm-hmm. I've seen Hundreds of guys that was dressed like me or better than me, right.
Speaker 2:Why me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we, we, we. When I say we, you know people that make it out of inner cities. You always gonna have some of that. You're always gonna have some of that. I mean, I would say earlier in my career it was a little more prevalent. You know, I came home. I'm telling her that every day. You know, when I come home in the summertime I'm, I could be anywhere in the world. I wanted to be in the neighborhood, yeah, and so you have a. You have a little bit of that court for real.
Speaker 2:But At the end of the day, when you start to mature, you start to have kids, you start to really realize what's important. And then I always say to myself like All of us had the same opportunities. We all grew up in the same neighborhood, same block, same culture, same everything, same everything. I chose to go harder than most everybody. They didn't choose that, yeah, right. At the end of the day, like why would I feel bad that they didn't choose that? Oh, I Can't, I can't, I can't, let that keep holding me down, oh. And so Once you get a little older, you start having kids, having family, got a wife, you got all this. Then you start to realize I live for them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah no, so yeah, but that that, that's a great question bro and it happens with everybody that is fortunate enough To make that leap, man that's dope man because when I had Rodney and Sean on here, Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:I said I made this statement. I said you fucked it up for a lot of people in the hood, and what I mean by that is that you made it look so easy yeah, we can. You had the whole hood thinking we can all make it, which is awesome, like we can all.
Speaker 1:Man, let's keep it real, everybody with the George, because chance come on.
Speaker 3:George was successful.
Speaker 1:One state championships with D1 went to the NFL. Now, third, I would say I was say I don't know, maybe a little after Rodney yeah, george had that run where it was like I'm going to George because I'm gonna follow in Chauncey's footsteps and to what you just said.
Speaker 3:I don't think people realized when you break it down and the hard work is, it's sacrificed there, right? So you gave up, like Whatever. It was like you know being in the streets hanging out, going, you know, to house parties or you know Whatever we do, as far as you know, having a good time. He was like no, I'm up with that hard work In in the gym because I live and breathe this, like this is what I do and I think that's what gets missed a lot. It's like if you want to make it to that 1% or that 0.5%, because that's where you're at as far as a ball player, it's like now, man, there's hours of this. This is sacrifice, you know, in order to get there but it's a, it's a real sacrifice.
Speaker 2:You know I've lost a lot of shit in the process. Friendships you know my fuck is just like awesome. Damn dude, like Dude is different. You know right, I'm not different.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just focused, yeah, but Because I don't want to do what you want to do, you lose that. You lose time, you lose we kicking it. You lose a lot of that. My whole thing was If, if, I can stay healthy enough which I can't control, yeah, the things that I know I can't control. I'm gonna work so hard, man, that whenever my time come, whatever I missed, bro, I'm gonna be able to do that times a million, you know right. So Sacrifice that. You know I'm good. I'm good. I ain't missing out, even in college, like I didn't go out 1030, 11 at night. Bruh, I'm in the gym.
Speaker 2:Oh, so I'm in the gym, bro, because I know everybody out. Yeah, right in the gym dog and when I see them they're gonna know I was in the gym, but that was my edge, like that's how I always thought man, but man but yo.
Speaker 1:But so Did you feel pressured, like, like, granted, you have the love for the game, right, but this is from the outside looking in. I can't speak on how you perceived yourself, but for Someone like me watching you, you were always the focal point. So did you ever feel a pressure to say, dog, I got To do the extra.
Speaker 2:I Never felt that court, I never felt that man. I just felt like, with, with the gifts that God gave me, if I, if I actually Committed and put the work in, yeah, like I don't think about the pressures and all that, I just think about when I get out there, somebody in trouble, yeah, and so everything else come with that. You know, I'm gonna do my thing. I'm gonna do it every night the best I can yeah.
Speaker 2:But I don't think about the pressures. And then what if I don't? What if I don't? That shit Don't even be on my, it don't be on my plate, bro. I don't even think about that. I do the best I can and then whatever happens is happening. Yeah, never. I never was on that bra. I never think about the pressure of that. That's Period in life, that's in one game, that's in everything. I don't be on that man.
Speaker 1:Man, it sounds like I got to ask you and just just kind of drilling in on high school Mm-hmm, was that 91 or 92? You won your first chip 93, 93, okay. So here's my question I Favourite 93, or was it 94? Yeah, we won both years. Yes, we won both years. Favorite, favorite team, for favorite team 93 or 94, and why?
Speaker 2:That's a good question, I would say. I Would probably say 94. I think 93 was a better team.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was with white side right. Fred you Ebony can't hurry us. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a better team, but I Would say the 94 team was probably my favorite team out of those two because we had a tougher hill to climb. Oh you know, we, we wasn't supposed to like 93. They couldn't really. They couldn't really do nothing with us, but 94 doing it again. It's always tough. We graduated some really good players.
Speaker 3:Billy has no. No, no, billy Hesse was on that 94.
Speaker 1:Billy was on 94. Oh yeah, he's on 94 team.
Speaker 2:But, like Ebony, you know the hearts of the heart of our team, freddy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Kent Horiachi was on the team for a little bit, but Magaesa. Yeah we had those was it, those were the, those were the seniors, but they were kind of the harder team too. So having to do it again was hard, man.
Speaker 3:It was hard, it was a hard year because they gun it for you, right? They?
Speaker 2:gun it for each other. I'm gonna get younger, it was younger too, chas, y'all had Lewis.
Speaker 3:Yo, yo, yo yo, honestly, this is this, is this is Denver shit right here.
Speaker 1:What happened to Lewis bro?
Speaker 2:I don't know Lewis was, wow, he was just too wild man. He couldn't, he could. First of all, he's never was gonna be eligible.
Speaker 3:In fact, this is always he do. Should have been a pro.
Speaker 2:No, it was six, seven, six, eight. In versatile had game, game. But he, he, he should have been a pro, but unfortunately there are a million stories like his. Yeah, but that dude, if he would have played that's what I'm saying it would have been. I mean, it would have been, that would have been too.
Speaker 1:Hey how much I'll be shooting to beat north by that year was a hundred points 101 I.
Speaker 3:Look at that. Is that the one where you pulled up right from the tip?
Speaker 2:Bad after that game, though, bro like.
Speaker 3:Stuff you was doing, man, like we never saw that in our life.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna bounce the ball off of many heads man.
Speaker 3:He was come on, man, bouncing the ball off the head, pulling up from half court, like and this is before like it was a thing, like you was doing that at it was amazing just to be like yo, we come to see this guy do what he does because we know he's destined for the league man, he's destroying cats you know so funny about it is that the high school season was just so fun for me like I, it was all fun for me.
Speaker 2:I Was gearing up for the summertime. Hmm, got it. High school season was like the preseason for me, gotcha, because you know it was, it was just too easy. Oh, summertime was my real season because that was when I got to go Vegas, new York, chicago, wherever, and see the dudes that's supposed to be the dudes, right? That's why I geared my, that my whole Year was geared for the summertime. Gotcha, high school season was just fun for me. Oh, but the summertime is where I knew I needed.
Speaker 2:That's where I had to go make my name at yeah gotcha and so Lot of the shit that I was doing in high school games. I'm throwing off of people and all that. Like I was a lot more serious in the summertime. Yeah, you know what I mean, cuz you're playing against a different caliber player to you know, and that was the only way I was gonna make my mark is to go and, and, and, and do what I do Elsewhere, you know can we stay there?
Speaker 3:because, like, how did you know, like at that age, like, okay, what was? Who was helping you to like lock in, to be like yo, I'm gonna be playing like real. Yeah the tough, the crim-della-crim competition, to like get my game right because there was nobody out here that could push you like that. You know what I mean. To get you to that level.
Speaker 2:I was in eighth grade and I played with a team from here. We played in this BCI tournament in Phoenix and at the time you all remember this. You know we have social media, so you found out who the best players in the country was on the street. Smith magazine.
Speaker 1:Yep, right, smith.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why the time Stuff on my various. The best player in our class, eighth grade. From the sixth grade on, he was the guy. I never met him. I never nothing. I just read about him. So he planned New York. He's playing for the gouchos Yep. Well, there in this tournament it's in Phoenix Bruh. I am so excited, it's unbelievable. Yeah, so Bam, we face him. The championship game. Denver never met on the Denver team.
Speaker 1:Denver versus NY. Let's talk about it. It's like I got a cousin in New York, right?
Speaker 2:now let's talk about it. So we play him in a championship game. Him sham god on the team there a couple of the guys. They you know it was nice right right man. This game was so epic, they beat us and overtime I had 41, Steph had 39. After the game he came to me. We met for the first time. You know saying right. He was, like bro you, the best player I've ever played against. Hug me, kiss me on the cheek. Wow, best player ever played against.
Speaker 1:Wow, chassis, chassis, denver legend, right here, crazy, my cousin, my cousin in in New York. He called me today. I Told him I say yo, man, cuz I've been, I had been telling him about you since 95, you know cuz you know your dad knows my uncle, earl, who went to school with your dad and and Moved out to New York City. Right, that's how that's, that's literally how I have family in New York City. He was like yo ask Chassis about sham god. And now and yo you beat me to the plus like this shit is crazy here this naturally come out.
Speaker 1:I heard, it organically and dude. He told me to ask you specifically. He said yo about sham as Chassis about sham god.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sorry, sham was that dude, he was all that. He was all that he. I mean I Never seen nobody could dribble like this dude. You know they do stuff that. You know we wouldn't sin, right. But I wasn't about to be an artist, shit. I wanted action.
Speaker 2:Right right, right, we could be friends later, but he was all that and stuff was. He was as good as ever to. He was as good as they say and he was it was legit, right, he was all that. So, to answer your question, when I had that experience, that's when I knew that's what I'm gonna be seeing in the summertime. Oh, got it, and that's what they better be seeing in the summertime, me here on out, master. You know I'm saying from here on out.
Speaker 2:This is how I got to show up, yeah, and so I just took. I took the summer so serious, man. I was so serious in the summertime, bro. I was never home. I was never here. I Played on Oakland soldiers one year. I'm playing with, I'm playing everywhere.
Speaker 3:I'm playing wherever Steph's like how he's like one year got it Okay man, I'm everywhere because I'm how else that?
Speaker 2:and nobody's coming right, see anybody coming. I play with shot.
Speaker 1:I play with you know, sam, it's funny.
Speaker 3:It's funny I play with shots in Memphis right in Memphis and they was hating on me too, that's like, like so fast athlete.
Speaker 1:And I fucked around it. I just have the afl I out athlete at all. You, that's why I'm on the team with Cha see Jamal Tournament and dog was Rob Mercer that tournament, yeah, and I remember. I never forget. I'm not, I'm not chance, I never forget. You know, it's crazy when you're in it, when you're in it, like you're in it, so you don't really you're not really Intune to what you're doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah now.
Speaker 1:I remember that's the first time I was like dog, I was Cha see Throw the ball behind another niggas back, grab the ball, grab it, step around, step back and shoot it deep in the face. And you know the one thing I can say about Denver man Is we go off the college, people. First thing. People say like, like people never.
Speaker 1:Right, that's the first thing but every time we go somewhere represent like you hold it down, man the gout, do the gouchos. And what's the most other squad out there my cousin play for Riverside Riverside, riverside Church Church Are the two biggest Intercity organization in New York City. Yeah chances like dude. Steph had 39 and I have 41 and we went in the overtime. This is from.
Speaker 3:Denver Got a respected. Come on now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that was, that was big bro. That was so much fun and it was, that was big.
Speaker 3:That was big.
Speaker 3:So let's fast forward because we're gonna talk about see you, yeah, but let's talk about when you're in the league, right, because for you that was a bit of a transition because, to your point, every team you've been on you pretty much had to carry from a not only Handle in the ball but also a scoring perspective. So you were kind of like, early in your career you were like a combo, like you really couldn't truly be a point guard because I just think the talent to support you wasn't there. Where I could, ah, yeah, give it to this dude and you know he's gonna do it work and just give you a chance to breathe and just Naturally be a point guard. So you had to kind of do it all.
Speaker 3:When you draft it third pick again, you know I'm saying Denver, boston with Rick Petino Put you in a tight Predictament because just Rick Petino, first time going from college to or at least at that time, straight to college to pros, yeah, and he was trying to bring that aspect of coaching college like pressing and all that to the NBA level, which didn't work well, right, but tell us, the first time you stepped out on that floor you played the Bulls, right.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:I 15, seven, well, five and two, I think. You anyway going to work and the man is out there. Tell us about that feeling of like being on the court with MJ as a legend, everything he is, and then getting your shit off.
Speaker 2:That was crazy, bro. That was that was that was being drafted. First of all was it was crazy. I remember when I announced that I was going to come out, they had me projected from nine to 15.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm like who? What other point guards is this? What are y'all talking about? Right, right, so now, but I need all the. I need that. I always needed that. Yeah, so I'm, that's my thing, as I'm saying okay, what the other point? Okay, zagba, reverend Knight, antonio Daniels, I'm looking at all the dudes and all that. When can I work out against them?
Speaker 3:Right, if that's what okay, so that's what y'all say, that's what.
Speaker 2:I've been on and so I'm like I ain't even being on nine to 15. And so when you know they had a draft lottery or whatever, and obviously Tim Duncan was going to be the number one pick, no matter who got the pick, yeah right, so they have it. Boom, it's San Antonio, Philly, Boston, Vancouver, Denver. So I'm like there's no way I'm sliding past Denver at five.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:They just had one of the worst seasons ever.
Speaker 3:They don't have no point guard so no way I'm slipping past that Absolutely.
Speaker 2:But I ain't banking on that. I'm like what are these dudes at? I need to see these dudes. I want to work out against these dudes, right? And so they all turned down workouts against me. Wow, Nobody would work out. You were too big against pause. And so the thing is I had one workout and it was like I was by myself. My trainer was doing it, all the GM's and everybody was there and like they would like we want to see them do this, so we want to see them do that, and but nobody would work out against me.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:So I didn't get the chance to do that, but going three was incredible, man, it was incredible. You know, I worked, my workout was great, my interviews was great, everything was cool. So I went three. I'm excited. Right, boston story franchise, whatever. Whatever, it was beautiful. Petino, he was different. He was different, but I learned a lot from him. But he did. He wanted to play the college game. It was just tough in the pros. It just didn't work. What was the disconnect, charles? The disconnect? Well, the pro game was just too. It was just too smart, you know, it was just too he wanted to. We was pressing from the jump bar, we pressing and shit, they just passing through that shit dunking on. We like damn dawg.
Speaker 1:No, not as relevant, because a lot of these, a lot of these college coaches struggle when they go to the next level.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and he did, and he signed a big deal. He was a GM in the pros and in the coach he was, and so there was a lot of pressure on him, you know, to win in Boston. Right Got the third pick, six pick Antoine Walker you got. You know it was pressure on him, so it was just tough. It was really tough. I struggled early, even though I played good in that first game. I played good a lot, but you know I never had the chance to really rock out Right. No, that's fair, I'm a rookie, I ain't trippin'. But it was good for me and I felt like you know it was. You know it was just work to me. You know you just back to the drawing board, it was just work.
Speaker 1:I ain't trippin'.
Speaker 2:You know I'm gonna be there.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:I always felt that way, even when it looked tricky, I always felt that way and I just went to work, bro, I just went to work and it was and it became all good. But I remember when he I remember the day he traded me he came, we, we we was in Sacramento maybe, and my agent had already hit me like yo, they about to do the move, whatever. So me and Rick talked and he was like man, you're gonna be a good, you're gonna be a good player. We drafted you for a reason. But I've always just been a big fan of Kenny Anderson. Okay, you know, in New York yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Kenny. A is Kenny. A Gouchos right, absolutely Kenny. A play for.
Speaker 1:Gouchos yeah, gouchos yeah.
Speaker 2:So he was like we got a chance to get Kenny. You know we're gonna have to do it, whatever, whatever. So I went to Toronto, damon Stoddard, maira went to Portland and then Kenny went to Boston. That was the trade Gotcha, and I was happy as hell because I wanted to get the hell out of there. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. And from I was Toronto. It was cool, we was a bad team, but they was letting me rock. I was hooping, yeah, I was starting to feel like you know. So it was. I'm thankful and grateful for those early struggles that I had in the league. It really set me up for what ended up happening, you know, in my career.
Speaker 1:Man Charles. So at what point did you, did you really feel, you know game wise, that you were settled in? But to the NBA, it's where he said you know what, uh-huh, I'm comfortable. I feel like the game is slowing down for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I feel like I belong, I would say I would say when I was in Minnesota is when. So boom, you know, obviously it was Boston then went to Toronto and then I got drafted. I mean, excuse me, I got traded here, mm-hmm, right, and then I played Minnesota. But when I remember getting hurt here, that was probably the toughest time in my career. Wow, I'm about to be a free agent. Yeah, I'm still trying to find myself. I get hurt, I'm out for the year. Hurt your shoulder again.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh, got it. Yeah, tore my shoulder up out for the year and I'm like, damn, I'm really out for real on the mat. I really gotta get off the mat for real. Yeah, so don't I get healthy. I saw him in Minnesota. It was perfect. I finally had some good veterans. That poured into me who, terrell Brandon, who was the starting point guard at the time. Now I'm backing him up he was nice.
Speaker 3:He was nice, he was incredible, he was so smart bro.
Speaker 2:Now he went to Oregon, oregon, okay, got him. He was so smart bro, he is here, the whole mental. I mean he was in San Mitchell, two dudes poured into me like nobody's business bro and Sam was like a vet at that time.
Speaker 3:He was on his way out.
Speaker 1:In what ways, though, if?
Speaker 2:they pour into real. My locker was right next to his. Okay, everything we did he taught picking road, reads coverages, reading defenses. We watched film together, every single thing together, worked out together, everything, little shit like this.
Speaker 2:Remember one day, one game man Terrell was balling like it's halftime. Kg office is our best player and the way they playing us, the schemes that they playing us, they trying to take ticket away. So, terrell, shots are open. So Terrell come in. He got like 14 and nine at the half. But he, mad though, I'm like bro, what's up with you? He was like we gonna have a hard time winning this game. I said what you talking about? You killing him? Right, he's like, if I come in this locker room and our best player who averages like 24, 11 and six, if he ain't halfway to all of them numbers, I ain't doing my job. And that night KG was like he had like eight and he was struggling. Yeah, you know what I mean For KG, right, well, he took that personal that was on him. That's the point guard. So all the way down the shit like that, as I'm like, damn, I would have been happy with that. 14 and nine at the half.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Right right, I'm out here Cause I'm doing my thing.
Speaker 2:Just mentality. All of that flip to San Mitchell, everything from how you dress. You know I'll be like he old here. So every time we on the road he like yeah, I got this little business meeting, there's lunch meeting. I'm like fuck you be doing on these meetings.
Speaker 1:He says you know what Same way we think about them. Come with me.
Speaker 2:You come with me, so he'll let me come with him. Boom, I'm just sitting back kind of fly on the wall. He really having meetings, you know what I mean. He setting up his after career business opportunities. He talking to these people, so all of that. So basketball off the court, all of that them two dudes, I give them so much credit. So once bam, I got myself back healthy, I'm straight, I get all this game. I said it's over.
Speaker 3:And I remember that. I remember that because once you got yourself healthy, that make it to the playoffs. I don't know if Tarell Brandon got hurt, got hurt, is that what happened. And then you started to come into your own, and I remember that because you was balling.
Speaker 1:You was doing your thing.
Speaker 3:You looked the game slowed down Like you was there. I was like, yeah, my guy's there. You know what I mean. And then after that, because I know your time's short and I want to make sure we get this out, because this is important.
Speaker 3:You get, you make your way to Detroit, right, and I don't want to jump the gun, but that's when Mr Big Shot, like that's. You was there, like, yeah, you had Denver on your back, you had Detroit on your back and you was just balling and you shocked the world. Y'all shocked the world 2004. Playing the Lakers you doing your thing, you this was funny about John, you had the mustache, like he was like the L the barge mustache and he was looking slow.
Speaker 3:He was like look at school, that's, that's baby and he given there, he given GP work. Any Derek Fisher pick and rolls blow buys everything. I watched the highlights the other day, man, and it was just amazing, the show that you put on. Tell us about that feeling once you made the path to the finals and then did what you did Like. What was it Like?
Speaker 2:take a stew that? Yeah, let me take you to this one first. The name is the big shot. Most people don't know how it happened. So I signed in Detroit the year before. Chuckie Atkins is their starting point guard. Rick Carlisle was the coach, I remember that, and Chuckie's my man. I lost one of my closest dudes right now. So Chuckie was hit man. He was the year before when I was in Minnesota. He had some really big fourth quarters. He hit a lot of big shots. So when I get there I'm starting, but for like the first month or so Rick is playing Chuckie to finish the games. So it was just kind of weird to me. I'm like, ok, we'll see how I play out, but I'm hoping. So I went to Rick's office one day.
Speaker 2:I said Rick, let me ask you a question Because I really don't understand. I'm the only point guard in the league that starts. That's playing well, that don't finish the games, what's up? He said you know, Chance, you're right. He said I just got. I just Chuckie hit so many big shots for us last year. He's been so good in the fourth quarters. I just been so comfortable with him and I said, OK, that's cool, I seen some of them shots he hit. I said but I did the same thing last year. This is why y'all signed me Right, so you at least got to give me a chance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he said Chance, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. Over the next two and a half weeks I had five game winners Wow Three, two, nine game, clutch Got it. And during that time is when Rick Mahon named. Mr Big Shot whatever whatever. And it just stuck, got it. It's funny. A lot of people don't know how that went down and I remember going back after this little time.
Speaker 2:Back to coach right, I went back in there with Rick. Yeah, I said coach. He said Chance, you don't got to say nothing. I said God damn. So you tell me, if I ain't say nothing we would have went all this year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, without you putting me in the fourth quarter. Close it out. Yeah, he was like yeah.
Speaker 2:I know that's Chance's my best. And I ain't whatever but damn. So that's how that happened, but fast forward to next year because Rick wasn't there, larry Brown got the job. I just started that next season and it's so funny because one of my college coaches told me he always told me you need to play for Larry Brown.
Speaker 3:One day.
Speaker 2:I'm like why do I need to play for Larry Brown? Larry Brown is notorious, notoriously really tough on point guards. Yeah, so we had a lot of long days, man, a lot of long days. I can remember my fourth or fifth game playing for him. We on the road in LA playing the Clippers. I had a great game, man. What's up though? 29, 10 assists, 9 rebounds, 2 assists I mean 2 turnovers Hit the shot to win. It was incredible. Right, we happy running through the tunnel. I look back, he walking through the tunnel in just the sky. So I go back. I'm like what's up LB? What's up you all? Right? Right, dude looked me in my eyes, bro. He said you got no idea how to play this position for me. Wow.
Speaker 1:Literally bro 29, 10 and 2.
Speaker 3:29, 10 assists, 9 rebounds 2 turnovers, Hit the shot to win it and he said you have no idea how to play this position for me Wow.
Speaker 1:What made you put the knife in your tongue, to just shut up and say look this is him.
Speaker 2:So I said LB. I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 1:But I said I'll tell you what?
Speaker 3:But on paper I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2:You ain't about to fuck my night up tonight.
Speaker 3:But tomorrow we're gonna talk about that. He's like all right.
Speaker 2:And literally, bro, like what I ended up realizing was he just has. He's never coached a scoring point guard. If you can remember, ai was a point guard as Ricky year, but he moved them off. Lb took over, slid to the two. They got Eric Snow. He coached Eric Snow. He coached Kevin Howley. He coached Mark Jackson. He coached all these like guards that they don't really score.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:So that was our challenge, you know is. But I learned so much from him, and what I say to people is he taught me how to go from being a scoring point guard to a point guard that can score, got it? You see what I'm saying. I ain't looking to score all the time, I'm looking to make sure. Oh, ok, all right, watch out now. So on me, instead of just I'm coming down trying to get busy, right, and it changed not only my game, but it changed how good we could be. Yeah, you know, and we, we, just we took off. We took off after that.
Speaker 1:Man, just just kind of hear you talk and just and just hear your journey. Everything happened the way it was supposed to happen in order to prepare you to get to the point to hold up that MVP trophy. No doubt, like dude, like you was, you was grown for this and I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure in your, in your 20s, early 20s, you're looking like man, I'm not getting the time, I'm going from team to team, I'm this to this, but those, those lessons you got from Chucky Atkins you know what I mean. You got from 12 brand in.
Speaker 1:You got from Coach Brown, you got from Coach but, like you know, you have been in a position to where, like yo, it's a perfect testament of it's not where you're at now. It's where you is where you end up and taking the lessons that you're getting now and being ready when it's your time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, no, no doubt I mean I. I pulled from all of those, all of those lessons and my entire time, and even to now, you know, when I'm coaching like I've been every single player on that bench.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I've been the best player Right. I've been the second best dude. I've been a sixth man at one point when I was in Minnesota coming off behind TV.
Speaker 3:I've been hurt, injured.
Speaker 2:Not playing out for the city, I've been every player on the bench on the team, and so I could speak to whoever, wherever they at you know and keep it funky with them too like. I don't do no lying to the players. I don't do that. I hate it playing for coaches that lie. I don't do no lying to them, yeah, so they respect that, you know. But it's that journey that prepared me, yeah.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean? Damn, and that's what's dope. Because of my bad cop. That's so good, because that's the story, right, like kid fantasy of, like the, the Cinderella I don't want to say Cinderella story, but the you live in a movie man, because you've been at the top, face adversity, figured it out, stuck with it. You know, at the bottom I didn't expect it to be like this because I've always, you know, excelled and didn't have to really go through the hardships and then climb back up to make it. That's the story, man. That's what's so dope about you.
Speaker 3:Is that what you just said, that relatability with players, and I think that leads into you now being a coach. Right, like you, keep it funky with the players. They relate to you because one they trying to be where you, where you've been, you've been a champion, finals, mvp. You know the game, you love it, you study it, you don't cheat it like. There's no cutting corners with you. Like you, you're going to do the process and then you'll get the results. Tell us, naturally, you were built to be a coach, a leader, what, what do you like so much about being in the position you are now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's funny because I know most of my years. I never thought that I would be a coach for the most part.
Speaker 3:Really.
Speaker 2:I was geared towards being the GM or the president, and then, when I started doing most of my recon on, like the difference, I talked to everybody that just done both pop, steve Kerr and Doc Rivers and talked to everybody that's done one or the other or both, and what I found I always felt like my best gift is like being able to pour into whether it was my teammates at the time or people every day, every day, every day. I want to, every day, we, we, we own something. And so what I found in my when I was doing all the due diligence on which one is the GM can't do that with the players every day.
Speaker 2:Right, he's a little connect, disconnected from it. Yeah, the coach does that? So I said, OK, I'm going to be a coach. Then that's your skills.
Speaker 3:That's what. That's what I do. Yeah, that's what. I'm the best at. You make, you make a jail together.
Speaker 2:Put them together, you know, and so it's perfect. I feel like I've been coaching all forever, you know.
Speaker 1:But you, but you have, though I have, so I'm so sure that day when you absolutely.
Speaker 3:Yeah, coaching you Absolutely, you were. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like I always. I always put more in it than anybody on my team and so because of that like when such and such don't know the matchup or don't know his tendencies, I already know it, I got. I can help him. I ain't just watching who I'm guarding, I'm watching that. For now He'd like to go right, spend back. Every time you can swipe, I'm telling my big man that he don't know. He studied it, I studied it Right. So this is what I've been on forever, and so the adjustment is being pretty easy as far as that's concerned. You know, there's just so much more to deal with when you're a coach. But the basketball part, man, that's, that's. That was easy, that's, that's just what I do, that's what you love, that's the thing I love having these basketball talks, man, especially having Dude, especially having you here, man.
Speaker 1:So it's funny. I saw a interview with Rashid, yeah, and he was talking about after y'all won the finals. He was like yo, we kicked it. We went to my house. He said he said we stay, that we stay at the arena for a while. He went to my house. He said that whole night I kept my uniform on. He did. Did you at least take the? Time to take your uniform off. I took my uniform off.
Speaker 2:You know what I didn't do? It's crazy. You know what I didn't do? I never made it to the locker room. You know how everybody be in there? Yeah, yeah, I never made it to the locker room.
Speaker 2:You never did until like that was all over. But I'm man, I'm with my family and I'm with man, I'm everywhere. Yeah, got it. And then I got to do all the media stuff. And then I got to do all the media stuff and then I got to you know what I'm saying. And then by the time I got back there, all that was over.
Speaker 1:Oh wow.
Speaker 2:So, nah, I took, yeah, I showered and I did all that. I at least got to take that off.
Speaker 1:Remember she was like yo I was on them trees, all for sure.
Speaker 2:And I was. He said we could literally party.
Speaker 1:He said do we party at the palace the whole night, bruh?
Speaker 2:The whole night, until we went to the cheese house. Yeah, and they was mad at me because you know, y'all know, I don't drink, I don't drink or whatever. And so I told them if we won, I'm going to have a drink with y'all, right?
Speaker 3:That's why he was out.
Speaker 2:He didn't want to go to the locker room because he was like I didn't bruh because I was like man, I want to remember all this shit. I ain't about to get drunk with y'all, my fuckers, man. And then I now forgot.
Speaker 1:Nah, you know how hard I wanted to get to this shit, Nah I hear you, I hear you. I do that another time bruh.
Speaker 3:No absolutely.
Speaker 1:But yeah, nah, that was crazy, man, Charles. What does leadership mean to you, Mm? It means to be a leader.
Speaker 2:Leadership means to me somebody that's willing to stand up in front of whatever. Good times, bad times, have tough conversations Sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's not but more than anything, hold my own self accountable before I can even try to lead you or lead you. That's kind of what I've always been on. You know, being vocal because leadership is different. Some people are not that vocal, but they're really good leaders. I feel like I can lead by example, I can lead with my voice, I lead with my presence and I just, you know I've always taken a lot of pride in leading.
Speaker 3:Let me ask you something, man, because you're so even kill calm like you. There's not like ultra highs or ultra lows. Like you, stay level no matter what's going on. Has there been a moment as a coach where you just like through the clip word down and like God damn it, like they not listening, or you know just?
Speaker 2:yeah.
Speaker 3:I get mad.
Speaker 2:I get mad, for sure. But no, I ain't like did that. But yeah, I didn't show up in that locker room calling people out. Yeah, and yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a part of it.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:You know that's a part of it. I'm definitely on that, because that's just how I, that's how I love, though you know what I mean, like that's how I do it. I'm going to be honest and if y'all ain't doing it I'm going to let y'all know. But when y'all doing it.
Speaker 3:I'm going to let you know.
Speaker 2:And so that's just kind of how I do it. But yeah, I'm a cool, even dude, but in competition that's what most people would tell you at all times, like y'all see him, but in competition I'm a different dude.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but you always been. I know you talk shit Like I know, but you so smooth with it. It'd be like yo, you might cross somebody and then you just hit them, drop them off at the bus stop Like yo, man, good D, but that's just a better shot, man, Maybe next time Like he never really real Tim Duncan. Yeah, a little bit, but a little more swag in there, but you never really got in the guy's face.
Speaker 2:I never was a big, big shit talker. I just. I just never was like I'm going to come and do my thing, bro, but if you on that, oh, then we can go to this rock.
Speaker 1:But top five shit talkers are going to leave. When I play when you play top three, let's go top three.
Speaker 2:GP is number one. Yeah, g is number one, g is nothing. I would say GP, kg, yeah, even though most of the time KG is talking to itself.
Speaker 3:Just like that. Dude is crazy, just like his own self.
Speaker 2:I don't she. She talk a lot of shit, but obviously we was on the same team. Paul Pierce talk. Ppr has talked a lot.
Speaker 3:Wow, paul did.
Speaker 2:Really Hell yeah, hell yeah. P talk a lot of shit Since high school.
Speaker 1:P man, man Chas, you know, but the one thing I can say a lot of people, I'm not going to say a lot of people respect from you is the fact that you never and Rodney talked about it on the show he was. He was on with us. He said man, my brother never gave me nothing. He always showed me love, but he always made me earn everything I've gotten Right, right. So what did Rodney do to make you say you know what, but you're ready to come to this NBA and come join me and come help me out what I'm doing, because that's work, man, like you know, it wasn't just this, it wasn't just this, like you're my brother.
Speaker 3:So yeah, like what was that called? Like nepotism, yeah it was.
Speaker 1:it was this nepotism thing. It was like you know, he, he, he belongs here, yeah.
Speaker 2:He, he, you know I've always been, you know, sensitive, and to the fact that I know it's always tough for him.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because growing up under me, you know, and being my younger brother, obviously the expectation is going to be tough, um, and so I knew it would always going to be tough for him, you know, and he's he ain't my height and he, if he was, he would have been an NBA 15 years, um, but I always, was always very sensitive to that. But I also the way that I feel period, whether it's family, friends, homeboys, whatever, like you, gonna have to work, bro, because what, what sense does it make for me to have put in all this hard work? I didn't work like a motherfucker man I'm talking about. I didn't put in all the work. Yeah, I do the work, and then I give it to you, yeah, without you doing the work, yeah, I'm disrespecting myself for that. And so I've always felt that way and I always, from a very young age, I always wanted to set him up for success through his work.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Hmm, being my brother might get you in the door, but that ain't going to keep you there. Yeah, so if you're not ready to work and you're not ready to really, you know, put your hard hat on, you won't be there that long. And so him putting his time in being assistant coach at CU, then him going to DU I mean me watching his maturation and watching him grow his voice, his confidence, everything was just incredible. And so when I hired him, it's so funny. When I hired him, it's crazy because I'm like this dude been coaching 10 years longer than I have.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I ain't even been coaching, right, exactly.
Speaker 2:So I'm really learning things from him too. Yeah Right, you know what I'm saying, as I'm on the top doing my thing, I'm really learning shit from Stick yeah, he's good, he's thorough, he's hardworking. The motherfucker he's at the gym, I mean he's always had been yeah. And so I knew he was ready for it. And it's crazy, I've been so proud I mean just his confidence right now, today. From when I hired him two years ago, he's a completely different coach already. Still, this dude is going to be he's going to be a star.
Speaker 1:Man, you always shout out to Stick man, absolutely, what's that? You know he's crying and you know that's the. That's so admirable man, because when he sat with us you know he was like, yeah, he's basically saying he echoed what you said. My brother got me in the room but I had to do the work and I had no problem doing the work because everybody had. And then Sean kind of chimed in and said hey, man, we coming from a family where it's like hey, you eat what you kill.
Speaker 1:Like this is just how we roll, you know, and man, you know, yeah, like that's so admirable. It wasn't like yo, but you, my little brother, you're just going to get along for the ride. And when he came and sat with us he was just so appreciative of just the experience. So I know, as an older brother, to see him rise to do, to be starting to do a video at CU Got to be like, like, like, like he went the traditional route of coaching, absolutely Like, like.
Speaker 1:It's funny, like you know, I'm a radio they're talking about. Like a lot of these coaches they asked, they asked I want to say Marc Schlaer, I think it was Marc Schlaer, I could be wrong about how, what do they feel about these ex players coming as coaches, skipping the process, skipping the being a video guy, being a player personnel guy, being whatever, maybe scout or whatever, and then kind of working your way up through the ranks to ultimately become the head coach IED on right, but the DN just one-on-one right. But then you have a Rodney who says you know, I have a brother who's been leading, he's a head coach, but I've done every job.
Speaker 2:Yep every day.
Speaker 1:The same way as a player, you can say I've been every player on that bench. That's quite unique man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, no doubt, no doubt. No, I'm proud of, I'm proud of Stick man, he doing his thing, he gonna, he gonna, he gonna be in that top seat again.
Speaker 3:You know that, yeah, Stick shout out to you Stick man Shout out to you Well, real quick, we got the this or that segment.
Speaker 1:So got a little game for you, putting you in the hot seat as far as how this goes.
Speaker 3:Hot seat yeah, it's hot, it's hot. So with this or that, you only get to choose one or the other. You can't give context of why you chose it, though. You can't, you cannot and you can pass if you want to. There's no consequences. No consequences, laila. We not gonna make you take a shot or nothing.
Speaker 1:We should light that up.
Speaker 3:So first question Stephen A Smith or Shannon Sharp?
Speaker 2:Oh, both my dogs too, stephen A All right, I know this one Two pot.
Speaker 3:well, maybe not two pot or biggie.
Speaker 2:Pot.
Speaker 3:Nas or Jay Z Jay Magic Johnson or Magic Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2:Magic, my all time favorite, even though Jordan's the best magic.
Speaker 3:My all time favorite, that's why I threw it out there. I love you doing my homework. Man Game winning shot or game saving steal. Game winning shot Break ankles or head tap Ankle.
Speaker 2:Ankle.
Speaker 3:Denver nuggets or Denver Broncos oh that's too easy, broncos. Oh, broncos John Elway or Tom Brady Elway, number four or number one, number four, smooth or Mr Big Shot, smooth cause, it's from my heart.
Speaker 2:Gilly or Wallo no man, two more of my dogs, gilly.
Speaker 3:All right, all the smoke or this dot podcast.
Speaker 1:Come on man.
Speaker 2:I'm telling about my hood man. You know what it is.
Speaker 1:You stand right here, I got one Max or Pimps, pimps, pimps.
Speaker 3:Thanks for playing.
Speaker 1:John.
Speaker 3:That's too easy man.
Speaker 1:I thought you had some hard shit.
Speaker 2:I thought you had some hard shit.
Speaker 3:Oh, ok, I got one last one, the Battle of the Wallises, ben or Rashid Mm-mm, and you can pass.
Speaker 2:That's a good one, man. Damn they so different, bro. Polar opposites, mmm, it's true. Opposite but heartbeats.
Speaker 3:Bando All right say Bando.
Speaker 2:I tell she this all the time. She type motherfucker he. If she cared more, he would have been the best power forward in in history.
Speaker 1:Mmm, why did so? So what was it, though, chas was it? Was it work ethic, or was?
Speaker 2:it. She is the dude. This is a prime example. We might lose, say we look, we lost one year in the Eastern finals game six. She didn't touch a basketball until the first day of training camp. But that's every year though. Really, hell yeah. So it takes she three months to get in shape. He ain't in shape until all star break.
Speaker 1:Wow to him Every year never fails, like every year Was I pissed out like, Like man whatever, he don't care.
Speaker 2:But he like no, what the fuck you mean? Ain't you supposed to get in shape? And training camp? I'm like no, no, he's supposed to get in shape.
Speaker 1:I'm in here, man Chas, so I gotta I gotta say, man, you know I've when LeBron finally, when LeBron finally Won that bubble championship, right, mm-hmm, it just made me LeBron believer. I'm so like, rock solid behind Brian and man. You were there when brought like when I don't know if that's the, the, the universal Opinion on LeBron's fool coming out party in terms of saying like, look, I'm putting this team on my back because I got over the hump of the Pistons the game when he had 25.
Speaker 1:Yeah Yo, what was it like being there and watching that young man do that.
Speaker 2:You know that's it was so crazy because before that, like we, was always like his big brother.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He couldn't, you know, he just it was. He couldn't get through us. Yeah, well, the summer before that, what people never talk about was Ben signed and went to Chicago. Hmm, so that was our like all them highlights, all seen. Ben wasn't on our team, no more. Oh yeah, but that game man, it was crazy, they're like. First he started cooking Tayshawn. Right, we like damn, rip said let me get them rip, take them cook rip man, let me take that motherfucking. So I'm like I'm just pressuring yeah, cook me. We trapped them, we tried to flag on them, we did everything we could. I remember sitting in the locker room after that I said Young boy finally figured this out. Man Damn rap.
Speaker 3:It was a rap after that, yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know how we're gonna beat him now. Yeah, it's straight up. We had one the first two games that we was up to open a series. Yeah, for straight right, yeah, that was the third game. They beat us. And then we had to go to Cleveland. I Said man he didn't figure this out. Now, god hey, that's. It was unbelievable man, can we?
Speaker 1:speak to his. Can we speak to the great? So I think I think he's so great. I think he's so great that the expectation is so high for him that is damn. They're like he can never be right.
Speaker 2:It's like I would say this when he, when he was coming in To the league, I felt bad for him Because I was like there's no way this dude's gonna be able to live up to this man. This is crazy man right. And not only did he Live up to it, he shattered everything we thought could happen and he's nobody's been more scrutinized than this dude. Yeah, he, he Come from nothing, hood dude. Man right, hood dude. But you ain't never heard him get him getting on truck, like you don't hear nothing about this dude, no blemishes at all he's been incredible man Like what, what?
Speaker 2:what brawn has done? Man Is it's. It's been remarkable man. I'm so proud of him. He's a grown man. He handle his business. He's homies, his own, the it's incredible. And that's just off the court. But on the court I mean, this dude is it's just incredible man. I've been it's, I've been blessed really to be Really kind of a part of his journey the whole time.
Speaker 2:Oh you know been seen it the whole way through. Yeah, I remember we play. You know I met him in Cleveland. In Detroit is like brother and sister, so he used to come to our playoff games and shit when he's in high school. So you know we'd be friend of my norm before. So when he gets drafted to Cleveland, he played against us in his first preseason game, got it, and so I was like you know what I'm really gonna challenge. I'm gonna challenge this motherfucker now. I'm gonna. I want to see the above. I really want to see they was playing him at the point. So I'm like perfect, you know, I ain't even know, dude, that pickup full right. So I'm picking this young motherfucker up tonight because I really wanted to see what was in there. Right, man, he, man, he didn't. He didn't play great, but he played, he was solid, but he ain't back down, he didn't wine. I was found him hard and shit. He wasn't crying. I Said man, it's my fucker for real man.
Speaker 3:He gonna be a dude.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna be a dude after that game. I said he gonna be a dude. Yeah, cuz I Went to challenge him, right. Yeah, to see, like I'm gonna see. Yeah, I want to see what he's about. Came out, I said, yep, he the one you ready.
Speaker 3:Well, speaking of that, another one is Coach Deon, prime baby. Yeah, up and see you, I'm a martyr for you and uh, yeah, I've been. I imagine y'all have relationships before as far as knowing each other, but now you know he's Helped you out as far as the Porter bill of foundations and I want to talk about that. But Tell us about the excitement you have for coach Dion being that. See you, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean for one. I was just so surprised that I was able to get him, and when they did I I said it's gonna take a little time, but it's never gonna be the same again up there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because what he could do when you talk about leadership, you know, and one thing he's the guru at is all these players now worry so much about they brand and exposure and he's unmatched when it comes to those things. But he's just a great leader man. I've been so happy for him and obviously you know that's my man and we. We got a real close relationship but we've we learn from each other, won't? It's funny when we sit around top and like he want to talk hoop, I'm talking he always want to brag about how he got his name prime and said he said he got it from. He said no, I really got it from hooping. Really started calling me prime when I was hoping something done contest.
Speaker 2:But now I've been excited to see it. I mean, the Is we haven't seen this type of phenomenon In college football? No, I don't remember it ever, ever when this.
Speaker 2:Talk about me as a coach. I know how hard it is to change culture. I Know how long it takes. Right. What he's done in this little amount of time is unheard of. It's unheard of it. This can't, it doesn't happen and it's legit and it's real. You know, and when I go up there and I watch practice with him, I'm gonna feel with him and I'm watching him and I'm looking at, I want to hear what he's saying. I want nobody looking at, cuz I don't know football like yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I love it. It's my favorite sport to watch. Even now, I'd rather watch football than basketball. Hmm, but I don't know the intricacies of it. Yeah, and you know, I'm, I'm on that, yeah, right, so when I'm watching the practice with him and he watching these players and he's showing me what they doing, that's when I said all he, he, he, he, all that next level, because you looking for the why Period.
Speaker 1:Cuz you a coach. You're like period. Okay, like why is it why? Why are they doing this drill? Why are they doing this? You know why they running this place, Like why are they drilling this the way it is looking? At it from a culture perspective, even though you're a basketball guy. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:But yeah, and I promise, promise, been incredible man. I've been, I've been, it's been fun watching him and he made, he's made everybody that went to see you, everybody that is in Colorado. He's made us all proud already.
Speaker 1:Has he give you any of the top? Has he given you any advice?
Speaker 2:You know, not really man, not really. He hasn't really given me any like kind of coaching, advice or whatever. Most of most of the things that we do when we talk about, you'll get it through what we're talking about. Yeah, and it's not really angled at you. Yeah, you feel them saying I'm Big on that, any conversations. Or you know the time I spend time with somebody, I always listen up and I listen to take it in, but also I replay the tapes when I'm at home. Yeah, you know, I mean just be like and he released Okay, that's what he was on. Like you know, I'm saying I'm that dude got it. So, yeah, not really, but man just watching him and what he does and how he inspires these dudes and how he gives these guys confidence, it's been, it's been, it's been incredible.
Speaker 3:That's awesome, I got a question as a football player.
Speaker 1:Hmm, was the man? Yeah, everybody broke one of the.
Speaker 2:Does it mean war that he's at see you? What does for me? Because the funny thing about it is my interest in going to see you came from watching Eric B Enemy and dead Hagan and.
Speaker 3:That was my cartney had. That was my family.
Speaker 2:That was why I was like damn, see, you was cracking. Yeah, absolutely about the football team, yeah, and so to have prime here with the football team, it means, it definitely means a lot more, you know, to me for sure, it's just like damn. This I never, they never would have thought. You know absolutely.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I was national championship when we beat, nor did a rocket ish malin Darien Hagen the enemy.
Speaker 2:They was called. Those were the Goldie gears man. It was cold, it was cold blooded man man.
Speaker 1:So what's up man? So I know we don't got much time, but just just thinking about the book of McCartney, the 30 and 30 that ESPN did on coach McCartney with CU, and they talked about the racial tension up at CU. It was funny, chancy I was, I was, I was heavily recruited by CU and. And I really, I really, I really contemplated on going, because I remember man rig new heizel, cody Gregory, yeah, who comes to my bellow, was one of the assistant coaches up there.
Speaker 1:He's the one that specifically recruited me and I was like, man, this is. I would go down there all the time. I would get tickets every week and I'd be like, dude, this is, this is okay, right. But then I remember my mom begged me Not to go to see you. She just felt like she was just like, just racially, it ain't right down there, you know, on the surface. On the surface, it presents is really liberal, it presents has really welcomed me. But my mom just had a bad feeling about it. So I just took it off my list. But would that be a sad man Like? What was the experience Like as a black man on campus in Boulder?
Speaker 2:funny story for you. So the coach that recruited me is now one of my Best friends and mentors, ricardo Pat. Yeah, it's not out there. I'm not assistant when I went there. Yeah, became the head, but he was assistant my very first day of class. I go to class. It's Classes, 500 people. It's two black people, me and another dude. I was way on other side that I don't. I'm then knowing this is funny man. So I'm ten minutes in the class, I walk out the class, walk across campus. Yeah, coach Patton's office.
Speaker 1:I'm like yo.
Speaker 2:I get me out his class. I Said coach, you gotta get me out of him. Yeah, he was playing, playing, he was so called. He said yeah, what did something happen? Nothing happened.
Speaker 3:It's just too. I feel like something.
Speaker 2:Said this might say something. No, man, he said how long take you get over here? So now probably seven minutes, I don't know. He said well, you got seven minutes to get back in that class.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I ain't taking you out of my fun class.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:No that's what this is all about. It's the world. This is what you're gonna have to learn how to deal with it. I'll see your practice at 330. Hmm, there you go At that time, bro, just think about it. These motherfuckers they told me know the nothing. Yeah, I'm McDonald's all American on the biggest recruit ever they ever had. I'm there. Everything is yes.
Speaker 3:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2:That was a big moment for me. It just taught me so much and I'm I thank him today for doing that. But to answer your question, court, like I didn't feel it was cool, but it it's also different from me. You know, I don't I Don't judge people on how they treat me, because they usually gonna treat me, you know, yeah, differently. So I was like a star on the, on the, on the campus and everywhere, like, yeah, people was never gonna treat me tricky, yeah, but like maybe some of my teammates that they didn't know, or Students, that was just there. I Judge it on how they treat them, mmm, and I didn't have a bad experience, naturally, you know it was all good for me, but I would hear things, but it was, it was nothing really crazy okay.
Speaker 2:I was nothing really crazy, it was kind of normal stuff. But which is sucks that? That's kind of normal sometimes, but I didn't. I didn't. I didn't hear too much about how bad it was. But most of the people that were Um, you know that were black that went there at the time. They was cool. They wasn't, they never was. They didn't have bad experiences.
Speaker 3:Welcome in embrace.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was cool, man, chance I'm you shocked the hood when, when we was at Skyland Recreation Center at your sign today, hey, all roads, everybody thought led to Georgia Tech. Yeah, 1000% and you pulled the see you had out and everybody was like I just remember it was a gasp in the room like what?
Speaker 3:He was excited, but and I was a Georgia Tech fan because Travis best yeah. Yeah, he just left. Steph was talking about going there, so it was like gonna be the dynamic duo, yes. And we were like, yeah, he's going to Georgia.
Speaker 1:Tech.
Speaker 2:That's where I mean talk us through that that's, that's funny. So when I narrowed it down to five, it was Georgia Tech, kansas, michigan, arizona, ucla. See you wasn't even in my top five so I never even visited see you. But I was going up there all the time. Fred was on the team so I was going up there and I would hoop with the team and obviously coach Patton was crook me very hard so I didn't, you know, I didn't really visit, but my senior year of high school, so at the start of my senior year of my grandmother passed, at the end of my senior year my grandfather passed, and so when I started making these visits and coming home I could tell that my mom was just like.
Speaker 2:Like like she didn't want me to leave. Yeah, so I took a couple visits. I Just said, fuck it, I Want to have my press conference next week. Hmm, so we set the press conference up. See, you didn't even know. Nobody knew. So I'm like I Do my thing, say, boom, going to Colorado, everybody's like what.
Speaker 3:So if the coach didn't know what happened immediately after you said I'm going?
Speaker 2:Colorado man, they man, them people man. By time I got Home from the center Coach Pete, coach Pat's, harrington Pat, they was on a way.
Speaker 1:I.
Speaker 2:Really, though, for real, I got myself to a point where I said I Felt my mom. You know, I'm saying I'm like all right, I don't.
Speaker 3:I.
Speaker 2:Feel it she is. She would never tell me To stay nuts, she would never say nothing, bro. But I Felt it in my chest and so when I did what I did, I put myself and I said the good thing about see you is, if I don't make it, it's cuz I wasn't good enough. Nothing else could be in the way got it. I heard, I wasn't good enough, and that ain't about to happen got it.
Speaker 2:So I'm gonna go do what I do, and if it's meant for me to make it, I'm gonna make it, and so that's the mind frame that I put myself in. You know, and I chose, I chose her. You know, I'm saying and Everybody was funny man, people was mad as hell.
Speaker 1:I was there, I was there, I was there.
Speaker 2:People was like wait you see you?
Speaker 1:they was like see you.
Speaker 3:But then again yeah, yeah you did the unbelievable mm-hmm Carried the team to the NCAA tournament. Yeah, that was my goal be Indiana, because they were expecting Indiana to be see you so that that could play UNC. Dean Smith, it was gonna be his record breaker and you interrupted all that like you know what I mean. Like Indiana came in there thought it was sweet, they got a little bit of that C before and then, next thing you know, out the tournament, cooked them. It was like a see you later.
Speaker 2:No, I was the number one seed in the whole tournament, right yeah, so Obviously they set it up for Bobby Knight, dean Smith, we watched Bobby Knight now and Then we play North Carolina. Now they better than us. Like they, these dudes. Guy got five, seven McDonald's on me. They're there to better team was like this car.
Speaker 3:No, care about that. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:Vince, yeah, and they was, they was nice, got it, yeah, but we don't care about that, we go, we, we go, we press and we, we, we out here, we out here. Yeah, we up one at the half man that second half of the ref step they got all they former players there, they got everything. But I whistle got so tricky. I'm gone. I can't man, I'm gone, I'm gone. After that I'm going. I ain't coming back college. But.
Speaker 3:I remember a few things that was. That was fun oh yeah, you was doing it, man. This the state. You had to stay on rocking like it was electric. We had our number four. See you go, the pin, the stripes on the side.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're rocking man. So so before we, before we go, we had Eddie Gill on the show Mm-hmm and we talked to him. We talked to him about the mallets in the palace Mm-hmm, and I think the question that we asked him specifically was when it was all over, what was you thinking about in terms of fines? Did that even cross your mind? It was like yo, I caught my agent immediately. It was like how much this co-cost me. He was like dude, I wouldn't even evolved.
Speaker 3:Well, eddie was on a different level. This man, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my question.
Speaker 1:You know, and when you see the footage, big shot ain't no, so so. So what? So I think for me, like what was that thing in your brain to say I Love y'all, but I ain't going up into the big?
Speaker 2:simple, like biggest thing was once I knew that the players wasn't fighting each other. Yeah, I get ain't us against them. Yeah man, I, I'm out of it, like if we were then, then we all got to get out. Yeah, yeah we not fighting?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:No money for that.
Speaker 3:Talking so.
Speaker 2:It was over. It was over for me, but that was a wild night. But you know what I always say it wouldn't have been none of that if, if, if, If Ron would have just fought the dude who wanted to fight him, it wouldn't have been no melee, it wouldn't have been no malice. 100% we the gay. They gave everybody what they want to see mono, a mono, ron and Ben.
Speaker 3:That's it.
Speaker 2:I mean, ben was a different dude, but they both are no absolute, Absolutely. Ron, ron, ron, is that too?
Speaker 3:Ron is.
Speaker 2:Ron is he? He said nah, just think about it, that plastic cup right there on that thing, a dude grab and wrap you around your neck and push you On a hundred and you said I'm a go chill that plastic. Somebody threw a cup that that can't hurt nothing.
Speaker 1:When you get with with Ben, that's a long night, man he is, I'm not, but you know, long man, but I'm just thinking about the, the money, yeah, the money in the in the suspensions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, and they turn was good. When I tell you that was good, but they was our biggest, best competitor.
Speaker 1:So Eddie said that there were all that they were on the cusp. They really were. He said they were on the cusp when that happened.
Speaker 2:They kicked our ass that night when they was up 20 something. The game was over, it was. They were. So good they were, we were the same, just a gang of like, just just just goons, right, but they didn't have. No, they didn't had a head, they didn't, they was just wow, you know, sam, they went strong mentally still has some discipline.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But y'all had a lot of but y'all had a lot of discipline, because even even when Rashid would get kind of wild, at least you guys kid real him in. Yes, the players can bring him in. Yes, it wasn't like he just goes wild, and then he just didn't disregard everybody. Yeah, he at least listened to y'all and I think, I think that's what ultimately got you out of championship, because y'all were such, yeah, a discipline team and Everybody and, and like you know what man, I think mellow catches a lot of Flack. You know what I mean. It's just about I think his whole career is a mixed bag, you know means. Only because he left Denver, I think people from Denver, from the Denver perspective, we were so resentful for that, you know what I mean that he left here, right, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:But if he had with James was with me, you were with me in Chipotle, mm-hmm. When I saw Kiki Vanda. We saw Kiki Vanda way, was that sure? Oh, yeah, yeah, we were in, we were in Chipotle. We saw Kiki Vanda way and I said, man, please pick mellow. Remember the whole, the whole thing was mellow was going to Detroit, mm-hmm. And if mellow would have went with y'all, his career, his career would have went a total different because, because he would have went through the same. Just think he would have the masterclass of what you got Absolutely different in different spots, you know, saying it would have been.
Speaker 2:We were the prior one. At least three chips, man, if mellow would have. We all waiting, by the way, we all, the night of the draft, we all knew he was coming to Detroit. Yeah, even him, everybody. We all thought we come to Detroit. We about to get mellow. So maybe I don't know what happened bro.
Speaker 3:That would have changed the trajectory even for, because that rookie year Mellow was making the case even in Denver to be rookie of the year. Yeah, and if he would have got with y'all like that, would have that have been different. Who's coming off that?
Speaker 1:would have been a rotation on a mellow.
Speaker 2:Say, tell you, tell you what have been easy over the table. He wouldn't even tripping on that.
Speaker 3:He wouldn't even trip him.
Speaker 2:He wouldn't even tripping.
Speaker 1:But so take what it came off the bench to be the sixth man and mellow with a Could you imagine that squad man Y'all had, but you but see y'all. Y'all had to, but y'all had to. Honestly, just just thinking of sports in Its totality, right, the makeup of your team was like a coach's dream, because Tayshawn Prince, just looking for like I didn't know, I don't know him, but just looking at him from afar, it just felt like he was just like that guy's, like a I'm or whatever, whatever y'all need me to do.
Speaker 2:That's him too. Well, that's an add a young age to.
Speaker 3:as a rookie he was absolutely and having you Managed the team closing the closer Then she she being able to stretch, been doing all the hard work. Rip yeah Energy being able to get shot without dribbling.
Speaker 2:This is one thing most people don't talk about. So say if we would have gotten mellow. See, she wasn't on our team at the time, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got she that's trade deadline. That's right, we get mellow. You know, who knows we? We may not get she.
Speaker 3:That's true. You know, I'm saying I guess I forgot about that.
Speaker 2:We start off the season like 16 and 12 or something. We struggled earlier with Larry, you know, trying to learn his system and stuff. So, um, I don't know, we may not get she'd if we get. Oh man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's true. However.
Speaker 2:You also might not need them Right now. You, you don't have to. You start mellow at the four. Tear the three.
Speaker 3:You, cool you know I'm saying absolutely, you can play with that.
Speaker 2:However, but yeah it's, it's a lot that could have changed. That's crazy man.
Speaker 3:That's crazy All right man, my last Chauncey story. All right, I don't know if you can remember but this but this is crazy.
Speaker 3:So this is when I knew Chauncey was different. We we played at George at the same time, and you know he's big bro, he's who he is. The cache Somehow needed a ride home. Chaunce was available to take us home. So if you know how Monaco is and this is when Chaunce had the, the maroon cherry key with the, with the subs in the back- I thought you said a grand, that they're grand, and the blue granny 98, 90.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that chair key text.
Speaker 3:So, if you know, monaco is just two one-way streets with like park in the middle. We on our way home, and this man likes to drive fast.
Speaker 3:So if you know, like you know how you're trying to catch the light with the peripheral, like alright, it's about the turn green, going north and south or east and west, I I could keeps going without slowing down, you know, because it's turning green, yellow light, etc. He's doing that. The only thing is, if you know Monaco one, at a certain time there's cars parked there right, so it was like just the two lanes. You really can't go around a car. There was a car sitting at the light right in front of it. He's timing the east-west light so that he can keep going without slowing down the cars in front of us. He's driving like 40 Down Monaco, down Monaco, and I see it, and he's not slowing down.
Speaker 3:So you know reckless you know, you, how you got that a little arm, the little thing you could grip. Yeah, man, he, he didn't slow down and he was doing that. All right, I'm behind it. I'm gonna just go right around park car right there, I'm gonna go right around and keep going. The light turned red going east west and it turned green and the way we were going, this man At like 50 and I was like oh my god, without a beat, and he was like we was bumping like DMX and he was just rolling. I said, alright, this guy's different, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, oh, oh. No, chops is red man, back then 95 man was a little Ray man chops is red man. White walls the white wall. Hey, listen, you saw the white wall. Cherry key is like oh yeah, that's John's there. Yeah, but the beats in the back.
Speaker 1:Hey but that's, but that's you know what you know. It's funny man, that's the. That's the beauty of this man is that now we're we're old, mm-hmm, all from Park Hill, we've all had different life experiences, and then we could just sit back and just talk about what it was like man, and that's what, that's the common thread and that's why I was like yo, you need to have chance, you on the show, absolutely, you know, because I just felt like you know we can have those, those, those conversations about what it was like when you was in high school dog. He was a man. I'm a nine light late dog, so historic man. So, charles, I gotta ask you, I gotta ask you this, and I don't know, I don't know if you want to end with this killer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, let him with that question with this top five, top five players from Denver. Here's a trick, though. You can't exclude yourself from that, is he so? So you really got four. Okay, top five players from Denver all time.
Speaker 3:What's that team look like?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, at positions.
Speaker 2:Let's put them at positions, if you know, tough for me because there's so many players that I didn't see.
Speaker 1:But that's what I'm saying, what, what you saw, oh, what I saw from from, from your, from your POV, because, because your, your, but your opinion holds weight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. From what I saw, johnny Reese at the point.
Speaker 1:I mean what you playing there, because you're the top five, I'm playing.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm the point, I'm the point.
Speaker 1:So, so so we taking Johnny Reese off of there.
Speaker 3:Well, just give us your five. I'm including you, so you got four.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's go. So, Johnny Reese Okay.
Speaker 2:Shout out Johnny Um, who I got way out of this dog?
Speaker 3:He was Johnny was incredible, bro, johnny was. Yes, he was incredible.
Speaker 2:Um, mike, christian, um, and I was young watching he was in he he would have been, he should have been pro Johnny, my Christian. Um, chucky, obviously, yeah, we gotta put Chucky there and um.
Speaker 2:That last one tough that last one is tough. Always it was a big fan. I thought the mind Ashley was um, um, yeah, I should have. Yeah, he was so talented. Was this dude was? Yeah, I never seen nothing like him before. You know, at that size and that skill, especially being from here. I've never seen nothing like that. But the unit first gave it to a son man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, son got a shot.
Speaker 2:So I mean, I don't know, I probably miss somebody, but that's solid, I don't be. Solid, solid. I know y'all be doing the debates and all that man, yo but but, but.
Speaker 1:But, real talk, man. We shout out to Johnny. I just heard he turned 50.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he did.
Speaker 3:Oh hey, happy birthday.
Speaker 1:Johnny Absolutely man. He's a, he's a, he's a. That man, that legend, that manual, I really wish the real, on the real, though.
Speaker 2:I really wish I could have played a couple years of high school against them dudes.
Speaker 3:You know, I'm saying like it was yeah, he was my years a couple years after that.
Speaker 2:You know it was, it wasn't very competitive, oh yeah. I wish I could have played against them dudes and learn. I did in the summer times and stuff, but Like man, the manual teams and my bellow teams with tree and all man, I'm dude man, they were so good.
Speaker 1:So so one of the play against them you can still cook in them in. But let's put this debate to bed, because when I you know was that your start at George left George went to my bellow. Everybody at the bellows would be like man. You know, damon Germany, you should get chance to some some problems. Let's put this debate to bed right now. People debate that dude. Am I tripping?
Speaker 3:I've heard some people. It's mainly from the bellows.
Speaker 1:For the bellows side we're like hey man you know, damon Germany's to you know.
Speaker 2:Not a.
Speaker 1:I'll say this, bro, if they want to put somebody on Chassis right, I seen Damian that night when I seen you at manual. Yeah, oh, he was there, I've seen him that day I haven't seen him in a long time.
Speaker 2:But um, I mean, I had, I had 25. It was a bad night.
Speaker 3:He had 25 and it was a bad night but?
Speaker 2:but as y'all know, I I joke about this, but they was playing a boxing one. We're putting the whole box on me, no, absolutely.
Speaker 3:I remember that game. Yeah, the box.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I mean, you know if he's the main point, but if I get around him it's two people. I mean, what's you want me to do?
Speaker 1:Hey man, hey, pull up from half court, like you was doing. Pull up half court like the next game.
Speaker 3:Did you have like 44?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember that on, on the, on the strength of that people saying that, yeah, yeah, oh, so, so, so I'm not sure cost them.
Speaker 1:Hey, hey, so paper he was like. So I'm not talking. I'm not talking crazy when they saying damon, they tried it. When people try to say damon, germany, you can give Chassis problem.
Speaker 2:No, they used. They definitely said that that was that game. That they said that when I had 25, I only had 25. They said that he locked me down, which he. He was a good defender, though.
Speaker 1:I hang on a lot to you. He was a good defender.
Speaker 2:He played hard as hell, yeah, um, but he had a little help. But the next I remember that helping, all that it was a wrap it was a wrap.
Speaker 1:Amen to damon germany. Shout out to you, you're a man.
Speaker 3:Listen, we're talking about he had me man. He again no, but we're talking about.
Speaker 1:He did, though they were talking about you today, man, you led it, man he did though he did talking about you today.
Speaker 3:All right, chas, we're gonna let you go. We're gonna give you this final question.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be damos question this is damos question.
Speaker 3:So, in the spirit of damos, did you have a good time tonight, man.
Speaker 2:Man, I had a great time, man, this was. I've been looking forward to doing this, though I really have. I've been appreciate that I didn't put a lot of Podcasts on hold, that I haven't done that. I that's on my list, all the ones that we listen to every day, man.
Speaker 1:I appreciate this.
Speaker 2:I haven't done them but, um, but I've been looking forward to this, bro, so this is good man Appreciate appreciate that feels good for you to say that man.
Speaker 3:So who would you recommend to come on this dot podcast?
Speaker 2:Um. This is local person anybody.
Speaker 3:Let's aim for the stars.
Speaker 1:Let's go high, let's go high, let's put it out there. Yeah, let's put it out there. Hmm.
Speaker 2:I mean, ain't nobody harder than prime right now? Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 3:Nobody harder than prime, no nobody, nobody on the planning right now.
Speaker 1:Hey, hey, let's, let's prime. We coming for you, man, we come a prime week. Hey, man, we've been pretty good with the manifestations.
Speaker 3:We haven't we mean everybody.
Speaker 1:We really felt like Truly, we truly wanted on the show. You know that that's from the Mike Johnson.
Speaker 3:Mike Johnson, the mayor.
Speaker 1:That's shit. Hell shake Helly, shake Helly. Yeah, I mean Chauncey Rodney, man squizzy Rodney, all the people that we put in our mind, chauncey, honestly, all the people we put in our mind and said like yo, we want to sit down with them. Maybe it didn't happen in the timeframe that we wanted to happen, yeah but it happened yeah.
Speaker 2:Yep so that's, good bro.
Speaker 3:Thanks, chauncey, for coming on the show. Mr Big Shot Park Hill, thank you for coming on the show man, yeah, you never stumble upon the unexpected if you stick to the familiar. So uh, go out there and change it up, manifest it and we out be smooth leafy, small leafy this podcast button-b wand.
